Marcus Aurelius - Rossz érzések ellenszere

Marcus Aurelius"Ne ijeszd el magad az élettől azzal, hogy csupán a gondokról s a bajokról képzelegsz. Ne vetítsd előre még nem létező, se ne éleszd újra letűnt bajaidat. Amikor gondok kínozzák sorsod, tedd fel a kérdést: mi az, ami most elviselhetetlen? A választ magad előtt is szégyellni fogod - sem a jövő, sem a múlt nem nehezedik rád, mindig csak a jelen. Az előbbi talán be sem következik, az utóbbi pedig már régen elmúlt. A jelen súlya a kisebbik, ha körülhatárolod. Milyen ember az, aki még a jelent sem képes önmagában elviselni? - Ha félreteszed, ami bánt, máris a legnagyobb biztonságban érezheted magad.

Vajon ér-e annyit bármilyen dolog, hogy lelked rosszul érezze magát miatta? Találsz-e valamit, ami miatt érdemes a bánkódáshoz lealacsonyodnod; sóvárgó, magába süppedő arccal csüggedned valami mulandó felett?
Emberrel nem történhet meg, ami nem emberi; ahogyan ökörrel, szőlővel, kővel nem eshet meg olyasmi, ami ökörhöz, szőlőhöz, kőhöz nem illik. Isten nem sújt olyannal, ami elviselhetetlen.
Ha egy külső jelenség bánt, tulajdonképpen nem maga a jelenség nyugtalanít, hanem a róla alkotott elképzelésed. Márpedig csak tőled függ, hogy ezt megszüntesd. Ha a rossz érzés oka a lelkedben rejlik - tulajdonoddá, elválaszthatatlan részeddé lett -, ugyan ki akadályozhatná meg hogy hibás felfogásodat magad orvosold? Amikor nem teheted meg, amit helyesnek tartasz, nem okosabb-e megújult erővel tevékenykedni, mint felette bánkódni?
Ha megtetted, amit tenned kell, az eredménytelenség oka nem benned rejlik.
A dolgokat elfogadni tudni annyi, mint helyesen értelmezni. Ha ezt megértetted, semmi felett nem kell bánkódnod: az út a te utad, a természet mérte rád - neked csak járnod kell rajta..."

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Mivel a történeti igazság teljes részleteiben soha nem tudható meg feljegyzésekből, igyekszem leválasztani a mondott bölcsességeket arról, aki mondja. Ha a szó, ami elut hozzám, logikusan kapcsolódik, kiegészíti, magyarázza a tapasztalataimat, akkor beépítem akkor is, ha - neadj'isten - maga Hitler szájából hangzott el, de ha nem kapcsolódik, vagy ellentmondásban áll mindazzal, amit hiszek, vagy tapasztalok, akkor elutasítom, mondja azt akár Buddha, Jézus, vagy Kispista a sarki kocsmából.



Nem ismertem Marcust

Nem ismertem Marcust személyesen:)
"Arra a kérdésre, hogy ki a hiteles személyiség, a válasz akár rövidre is zárható: az az ember, aki a szó és a tett egysége szerint él. Amit mond, azt felelősséggel mondja ki, mélyen átgondoltan, azonosulva a szavaival, s a tettei teljességgel fedik a szavait. Amit ma mond, vagy cselekszik, azzal holnap is tud azonosulni, vagyis olyan mély világ-, ember és önismerettel, bölcsességgel rendelkezik, amely lehetővé teszi, hogy a kimondott szavai, megállapításai valóban igazak legyenek és maradjanak, akár évek múltán, vagy egész életen át is fénylőn ragyogjanak."
Ameddig fejlődünk,biztos lesz változásunk,amiket először szavakkal,majd tettekkel fejezünk ki.Nekem ezért nincs bajom azzal,ha valaki ellentmondásos,mert szerintem mindenki az.Szóval akkor a hiteles ember szerintem az,aki már nem fejlődik,mert már kész van.



ismertétek személyesen? vagy

ismertétek személyesen? vagy csak olvastátok valahol, hogy mit tett...? biztos hogy az úgy történt, ahogy valaki (aki vélhetően szintén nem ismerte) mit írt róla?

még azok a dolgok is szépen elferdülnek, ami egy ismerős ismerősével történt a múlt héten. a mesélő mindig beleteszi a saját szájízét, aztán - ezt hívják pletykának - a végén megszépül vagy elcsúnyul a sztori. a tények makacs dolgok, persze, de mik a tények ez esetben? a matematikán kívül nem sok egzakt dolgot láttam még, de ez is csak azért az, mert eleve egy lefektetett fogalomrendszerből indul ki, vagyis zárt rendszer.

akárcsak az élet?



Kedves hozzászólók !

Nem vitát szerettem volna gerjeszteni azzal, hogy bemásoltam ezt az idézetet. Szerintem nem is az a fontos, hogy kitől származik eredetileg, hanem, amit közölni akart ezzel a gondolatmenettel. Nekem teljesen mindegy, hogy ki mit gondol Marcus Aurelius-ról, de annyival megtiszteltem, hogy közzétettem a szerzőt. Ennyi. Gyerekesnek gondolom, hogy arról megy a vita, hogy ő miket tett a múltban. Érdekes módon másoknak pozitív élményt tudott nyújtani ez a pár sor attól függetlenül, hogy milyen életet élt Marcus Aurelius, és igazából ennyi volt csak a célom. Tudom milyen az, amikor gödörben vagy és tudom milyen az, hogy néhány mondat új reményekkel tud kecsegtetni. Úgy érzem másoknak is jó élményt tudott nyújtani az, hogy elolvasták, és ezért már meg is érte közzé tennem.
További Szép Napot!



Épp erről beszél Marcus!

Épp erről beszél Marcus! Áhh.. 17 évesen simán felfogom akkor nem tudom..^^
Megölnek valakit és zavar téged.. ÉPP ERRŐL ÍR NEM ÉRTED???? Nem maga az esemény zavar..Hanem a róla kialakult elképzelésed, ahogy szemléled a valóságot, nem maga a valóság. A valóság nem tud zavarni, hogy is zavarna? Az csak egy információ mint a 0100110011001..Ahogy értelmezed az a lényeg.. Na de mind1^^



:(

Megszakad a szívem ... Nem tudom én, csak azt, hogy nem bírom a gyilkosokat látni se, eltakarom a szemem ha meglátom őket a tévében. A Híradót is csak Anya nézi, én már nem bírom megnézni se őket, és az a halálom, amikor még ők kezdenek el okoskodni az erkölcsről ... meg amikor jönnek az idézeket Henry Fordtól az önfejlesztő könyvekben ... Na mindegy, elmegyek, mert már nem fejlődöm itt. Mindenkinek minden jót.



Bocsánat maat,

hogy másról írtam,nem a blogodról.Még elő fog fordulni többször is.



szerintem

ez az írás szól valamiről. A bejegyzés írója közölni akart vele, általa valamit.
és létezik olyan fogalom, hogy offtopic hozzászólás, ami azt jelenti, hogy valaki csak úgy beleszól anélkül, hogy köze lenne a témához. Ezzel jóeséllyel megszünteti a bejegyző szándékát. ezért érdemes lenne tartózkodniaz offtopic hozzászólásoktól.
én is bocsánatot kérek, mert tulajdonképpen ez is egy offtopic hozzászólás. Nem teszem többé!



Nem baj nekem,hogy kocsit gyűjtött Osho.

Azért írtam,mert senki se egyértelműbb a másiknál szerintem.Én például gyilkos vagyok.Van ez a szúnyogriasztó,az elektromos fajta,többszáz lényt kinyírtam már vele a nyáron.És élvezem hallgatni, ahogy utolsókat zümmögnek a rohadékok,én meg nyugodtan elalszom.Azt hiszem egy buddhista ezen rendesen kiakadna.Illetve nem,mert inkább elfogadna.Szóval hadvezérek.Nem biztos,hogy szerettek ölni.Beleszülettek egy korba,ahol olyan sok választási lehetőségük nem volt.Már gyerekként eldőlt mik lesznek,ha nagyok lesznek.Amúgy alkesz vot az összes hadvezér,csak ez anyira a kor szokása volt, hogy a könyvek meg se említik.Manapság választhat magának mindenki pályát,sőt,akárhányszor életében módosíthat is.Mégis sokan csinálják azt amit nem szeretnek és kevesen jutnak el odáig,hogy olyan munkát válasszanak amiben kiteljesednek.Nem tudhatom,hogyha én egy másik ember személyiségével beleszületek az ő családjába,ő korába,máshogy döntenék-e,mint ő,vagy ugyanaz lennék-e.



:(

Ezek nagyon rossz pédák szerintem:( Mért olyan nagy baj, ha valaki Rolls-Royce-okat gyűjt? Osho, igen, eléggé ellentmondásos, de tudtommal nem ölt meg senkit. Ez a baj a világgal szerintem. Mérhetetlen közöny és ostobaság:(



Van olyan ember

aki nem ellentmondásos?Végül is ha az ember dipólusos,akkor nincs olyan egy darab se szerintem.



Vagy pl. Marlon Brendo,

igen érdekes életrajza van,erőszakos ember volt a hírek szerint,mégis volt olyan filmje amiben a lélekábrázolás építő jellegűen hat másokra. Vagy Osho.Nem is tudom hány rolls royce-a volt,de elég sok,gyűjtötte őket,ugyanakkor arról beszélt,hogy nem az anyagi javak a fontosak, hanem az,amit a sírba is magunkkal viszünk.



:(

Ennyi erővel Hitler is biztos mondott jókat, meg Sztálin is ... Egyébként mostanában jöttem rá, hogy nem ítélhetünk meg embereket a mondásaik alapján, hiszen az ember ennél sokkal mélyebb valami ... És ez csak a felszín, ami nem sokat jelent ...



Nem érdekel mit mond Marcus

Nem érdekel mit mond Marcus Aurelius? :O Hát akkor olvasd még el párszor és rájössz. Meg mi köze van ehhez a tetteinek? Attól még mondhat jót, olyat amin érdemes lenne elgondolkodni..



Nem szeretem én ezeket a

Nem szeretem én ezeket a római császárokat. Ezek nagyon-nagy gyilkosok voltak. Nem érdekel, hogy mit hordtak össze. Én százszorta-ezerszerte-millószorta különb vagyok náluk!!:-))



",hogy én vagyok én,akkor azt

",hogy én vagyok én,akkor azt mégis hogy szüntessem meg?"
Mi bajod magaddal? Meg mondom én: Nem fogadod el magadat. Marcus Mondja: A dolgokat elfogadni annyit jelent mint helyesen értelmezni, pontosan.
A bajt kell megszüntetned. Nem magadat. A baj az hogy téves elképzelésed van önmagadról, leértékeled, alacsonyítod magadat, nem elfogadhatónak tartod magad. Feltételezem legalábbis.



Te nem vagy Te. Te az vagy,

Te nem vagy Te. Te az vagy, akit eddigi gondolataid, tetteid teremtettek.
Ahhozz, hogy másvalaki légy, csak a gondolataidat kell megváltoztatni.



És ha nem

a múlt vagy a jövő a bajom,hanem csak szimplán az,hogy én vagyok én,akkor azt mégis hogy szüntessem meg?



Jó érzés, hogy másoknak is

Jó érzés, hogy másoknak is útmutatás nyújthatok ezekkel a sorokkal :)



:)

Húha ! azt nem ígérem, hogy pontban 8-kor tudom küldeni :D De szívesen adok pozitív gondolatokat :)



köszi

Mintha rólam /nekem írtad volna.
köszönöm



Kérés:-)

Lehetne minden nap egy ilyent kapni reggel 8-kor, mondjuk e-mailen??? Nagyon rám férne egy ilyen ébresztő:-)
Köszi Maat!!!



:)

:D Öröm ezt olvasni !



Köszönöm maat!

Az UNI küldött, hogy végre észhez térjek!! :)

KÖSZÖNÖM!! :)